Dr. Ibrahim Allosh : U.S is in dilemma in Iraq that no one in the world’s history has fallen in such conditon before.

By Jasim Al- Shammari/ Amman

Dr. Ibrahim Allosh is a Jordanian citizenship of Palestinian origin author and researcher. He is known through the Arabian media means and satellite broadcasts with his authentic Islamic and Arabian attitudes. He was one of the strong oppositions against US and its allies to strike Iraq. He is still calling, in every occasion, for the liberation of Iraq from the American and others, he is a man well known to say the truth, Ibrahim Aleash born in 1963, has got his Phd on Economics, he is carrying on his duty as a lecturer in Zaytuna Private University in Jordan. Al-Basair Newspaper and AMSI Net has met him in Jordanian capital Amman and carried this conversation with him:

* What has happened in Iraq is a big conspiracy with multi- scenarios, and the days have proved the false claims of the occupation. How can you evaluate the situation in Iraq?

- What is conducting in Iraq is a possible great conspiracy of many super and regional powers in order to destroy this country. Iraq had a different position other than the rest of Arab countries in the time of division the Arabian Peninsula region specially the region between Syria and Jordan today in (Saicus Beco) treaty. Iraq was different because it has extracted from the dividing equation as it was in an integrated position from the stand point of its resources, regarding the rest of Arabian countries it is observable that some countries are poor some others have lack of petroleum or mankind or lack in agricultural lands or water. Regarding Iraq it can be seen that it is integrated with resources and has the mankind, financial and military capabilities, have had much more population than the wealthy gulf countries. It is not a poor country such as Egypt in comparison with population and had enough water for instance as Jordan, as Iraq was an integrated country. So it should have progressed with a developed project not only be effective to Iraq but the whole region. In fact the giant industrial, military, scientific and technological installation operation that performed in Iraq before the occupation was a secret subject to the American - Zionist side. Because they were aware of being such constructive operation a restart to return the unity of the region back, and form a super power by the leadership of Iraq. Therefore it was their aim to destroy Iraq without any alternatives. The foreign and regional dominant powers that running to gain from our nation together with those whom are supposed to be sons of this nation are trying to destroy Iraq and keep it away from today’s need of development for the next fifty or a hundred years.

 Iran has a project of dominating Iraq

*  For whom is this destructive advantage ?

- For domination advantage of the Arab nation and to stop the Arabian progress, unity and  

liberation projects. Of course basically it is for the beneficial of American - Zionist side. However, it is also for the advantage of Iran which has a project of domination.

No legitimacy for a political process under the occupation

*  The political process that US claims and says, we could spread out the democracy in Iraq after the Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship and injustice actions to the Iraqi nation. Today there are thousands of peoples who has been expelled from their houses and thousands were killed and the destruction every where. How would you evaluate the political process that is carrying on in Iraq under the occupation?  

-          First there is no lawful political process under the occupation, all occupations along the history had always tried to constitute for its legitimacy through a certain political structure. Political structures were imposed as if they were excited from past eternity through out elections, and through establishing a legislative and executive councils etc., However the nations that subjected to an occupation had rejected to confess the legitimacy of the political structures under the occupation that suffered from. Anyone who participates in such structure under the occupation would be considered a devilish action to itself, to motherland and to the nation. The participation in a political process expresses giving the legitimacy to the occupation through performing as being the brush to cleanse the shoes of the occupation.

The American Dilemma in Iraq

*  Do you believe that America is really in dilemma in Iraq, or it has realized its aims as it claims, and do you think that what was performed is start of new middle east?

-          First of all America is in dilemma in Iraq that no one in the world’s history has fallen in such condition before. Perhaps the difficulties in Iraq regarding USA are harder then it was in the Vietnam issue. It means that the difficulties are spreading too fast and takes vast dimensions. America has an internal crises because of Iraq and international crises because of the Iraq and international relations. USA also has a regional crisis because of the internal situation of Iraq. You can obviously see that those whom invited the war against Iraq and to occupy it are loosing their respect and popularity in America itself. You can also clearly see that 8 countries of Latin America have got its freedom and liberation from the American control. China and Russia are reinforcing their international relation and returning their formal role. This basically can only be done on account of one pole. It can be seen that the American project from Iraq to Lebanon, from Palestine to Somali is in difficultness and can not progress. America is really in a big problem which it leads to finish squeezing the said one pole. I would like to turn your consideration to a main point of the American - Zionist side (as one side) that is its success recorded is efforts to separate and dissension in spite of the American project was failed. The Americans could not re-form the region as they wish. It is too clear. The main reason for that is the Iraqi resistance and followed by others. The American - Zionist side could form a sectarian and ethnical dissension among the peoples of one nation. We should get over this dissension and exceed this by unity.

 Withdrawal from Iraq

*  Do you expect that America faces difficulties in Iraq could be the reason of withdrawal in near future, and do you think the withdrawal would be in regular manner or randomly?

-          This matter is depending on the American internal balance itself. As it can be seen that the powers which calls for withdrawal in the American congress, the American administration and Republicans Party itself increase its influential aspects day by day. They have even activities in this direction inside the Republicans party such as former Secretary of Interior Ministry James Baker who is in the opposite side of George W. Bosh. James Baker who is one of high rank partisan calling for a good understanding with Iran in order to coordinate the withdrawal from Iraq on the bases of share dividing. So we should be aware that America is just to be defeated. That is sure but the method of withdrawal depend on what is going inside the White House, the neo-conservatives whom are in agreement with Zionists that are still rejecting the complete agreement opinion with Iran as the agreement is made upon the share dividing in Iraq. There is a point that should kept in mind that our military victory may have turned to political defeat if agreement is carried on with Iran on share division. The defeat and withdrawal of the Americans is the subject matter and this will be realized in the future or near future. However, the Iranian interference and putting hands on Iraq will lead to a problem. This is not extent in Iran itself in spite of the Iranian danger. However it exists in the probability of opinion of the separation of the Iraqis about the Iranian role. There is also the probability of separation of the region, i.e the Syrian and Hamas attitudes etc.  

The American abandonment

* How and why?       

-          Because the Iranians will start to collect the fruits of our efforts and struggle. This is a dangerous incident if realized. This logical event seems to be an opposite reflection. I prefer to remain the wing that rejects agreement with Iranians which the USA Administration. That means Bush with his stupid action is more preferable to us from Baker with his cleverness. Because if an agreement is made with Iran then our mission would be more difficult as they do with foolishness of Bush. The neo-conservative teams’ behavior is so stupid, imprudent and lacking foresight. Their manners are as Cowboys because if your enemy is thinking so it has to be more preferable than to be conscious of the regional contradictions and can regulate them. In fact this group will oblige at the end to withdraw back randomly. The occupation troops will be withdrawn completely as Israeli troops did in the Southern Lebanon. Therefore the resistance will be capable of filling the gaps immediately while withdrawal that agreed upon with Iran is carried on. At last there could be a camp which is constituted of so-called (Moderated Arabs) and their role will be (for instance) to calm down the middle regions by the Saudi and Jordanian moderated Arabs. The southern region will be calmed down by Iranians.  This is a share division through a confederation... By this way the petroleum income will be distributed… the American troops will go back to their permanent military base, and these bases will act according to agreements with Iran and Syria. How a force formed of 170 thousand could not control Iraq and can do this with only 20 thousand? So talking about permanent bases means talking about a political trade and also talking about permanent military bases. It does not mean that US will hold whole of Iraq with six or seven permanent bases. Hence there is a political trade and there are abandonment that Americans will presented to certain regional powers.

Syria is not pleased from the Iranian existence in Iraq

* Whose these powers are?

 -          I don’t believe that Syria is pleased of the Iranian control at a part of Iraq. However the necessities of being allied forces requires to be kept in silence for bigger things. Syria is in well conscious if Iran has controlled Iraq it will be too difficult to resolve the problem. I mean that supposing if Iraq is controlled by Iran, then siege Syria will be a real matter and will rapidly dissolved.  So I reckon that the Syrian Project does not in conformity with Iranian Project 100%. If not so Syria will be sieged from all sides, as the efforts happened in Lebanon issue and are happening now to siege Syria…

In the end what is performed in Lebanon is turn this country to a pathway against Syria. Now Syria’s concern is the protection from evil actions of the American - Zionist and their tails. Therefore it is obvious to Syria to think so because the danger is more and more near than ever. At the moment the danger is now American and Zionist danger not Iran. However this does not mean that Syria or Syrian administration is just pleasant of what is going in Iraq and regarding the Iranian manner. 

The National speech is prevented the internal war

* If US forces have withdrawn as randomly or regularly do you think an internal war be waged in Iraq? Or will Iraq be divided?

-          This is dependant on several factors but no doubt if the Americans decided to withdraw because of the defeat in Iraq. They will follow the British method that they had fulfilled in India... As we know that when Britain felt that it can not resist anymore in India they started to concoct the story of the disagreement between the Hindus and Muslims. This led to separate the country to India and Pakistan and later on Pakistan and Bangladesh. Such actions are common in the British and French culture. It is our principle if we are obliged to withdraw from a region we make that region full of disagreement and disorders that explodes internally. This is an imperialist conventional action; the same could strongly be applied in Iraq. So I have written in the beginning of the occupation that this will end in this direction, you can find these articles in web site. If you made a research on what is the secret in the Iraqi resistance victory, the resistance is too strong no one can deny. but the strategic transformation in existed in the capabilities of the resistance, I wish you write this point letter by letter ; the capability of the honorable resistance groups to polarize some of our Shiite brothers in Iraq without occurring such disagreement, specially the Arab Shiite. I am talking about the Arabian Shiite tribes. These people had stopped the Iranian hostility between the years of 80/88. When they were holding slogans of exporting the Iranian revolution and participated to stop the so-called Intifadha 91 to barge in, the central government has lost 14 provinces of 18. Without the movement of the Arab Shiites against the Persians to barge in Iraq the rest of the provinces were fallen as well. Today again I say to all my dearest brothers of the Iraqi resistance with all its Islamic and National groups that they should have included among them the Shiite nation. This is the sole warranty to prevent the Iran to barge in and to also obstacle the internal war to be occurred. Such activity needs a national and Iraqi speech in conformity with aspects that must be exceeded to protect the unity and the advantage regarding Iraq. There were hundreds of thousands of Shiite brothers who have placed in national row. I believe there are too much of such people who have full of Iraqi national feelings. This the sole warranty to prevent the internal war and putting it off rapidly in case of occurrence. Moreover this means to pull the card of representation of the Shiites by the militias whom are claiming that they are representing this vast group; performing the killing and murdering by using this name. At last such action leads to not only dissolving Iraq but driving the Shiites themselves to a tragic conditions.

 Federalism

* Do you think that Iraq is going to be divided with no other choice?

-          No. This is a ring, and there are two sides in it.

* Whom are the two sides?

-          The resistance from one side and the anti-powers from other side.

* And how about Iran?

-          Iran is part of anti-powers which controls the region. Iran and USA are allied not only in the Iraq but also in Afghanistan. That means Iran has gained advantages from what USA has conducted in Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq is not at the edge of non-returnable division. The national and Islamic soul has to be back which can collect all parts together and bandage the nations wound. This requires a program… The program should be non sectarian. For the reason of the separation project I would like - specially today if it is possible with you - to announce through Al-Basair Newspaper. This announcement is for an Islamic power. This term has been understood as a sectarian, especially when it is combined with anti-power speech (the Shiites). The mentioned understanding serves the enemy only; with respect to all fighters... Therefore the separation project is depended on performance of sectarian powers. Then to start fighting with this project which this needs a non sectarian efforts. Let’s meet altogether on one word “There is no god but Allah and Prophet Muhammad is His messenger”. We should gather upon the idea that we are all Arabs. Afterwards there will a base fort agreement, but talking about Rafidhi (Heretic) and Nawasib (a community who is believed to be enemy of Ali (pbuh) and similar foundations which are really dangerous matters that we should pass such discussion... The sectarian issue in Iraq today is a special issue. Some brothers of religious sects are considered to be related to some organizations that is suspicious to work on the account of Al-Qaida. It is too dangerous and harmful to the Iraqi Resistance and to the liberation of Iraq as well.

 The Iraqi governments are as masks

* How can you evaluate the administrations that followed the occupation of Baghdad starting from Ayad Allawi, Al-Jafari and now Al-Maliki governments?

-          The governments are (shoes) weared by the Americans in order to walk in these marshes full of mud and blood that remained by the occupation in Iraq. These are not governments they are only uncovered and turned American and Persian masks... these governments are only coincidentally American and Iranian resultant.

*What do you think about Allawi, Jafari and Maliki?

-          In spite of my comprehension concerning them, Allawi and Maliki are in two directions… one is USA and the other accounted more upon Iran... I don’t throw announcements, I know each one, but who accepts to constitute government under the occupation are (shoes). In my opinion either Allawi or Maliki are better than each other, both are bad from each other, both will have zero point regarding the trust and honor. However the sectarian murderer of Al-Maliki is recorded to be the longest one... This does not mean we are defending Allawi. There is no difference between them from the point of traitors and following the orders of the occupation. But no doubt in the Maliki’s regime the appearance of militias and spreading the disturbance and trouble was the worst… If wanted to classify the mentioned (from the point of vileness), Maliki will be the dirtiest person regarding the sectarians, perhaps his strong relations with a regional powers.

* How do you look to Maliki’s visit to Iran and Turkey? Is it his last action within the remaining period of his administration?

-          The visit of Iran has came in a certain date which is 8/8 the anniversary of seizing fire of the Iraqi-Iranian was, as we know he wanted to present his loyalty to Iran instead of Iraq... Maliki has a kind of self despising, his loyalty assures to the enemy as he saying ((I swear I love you more than my love to the nation)). For his visit to Turkey; this aspect is related to the Kurdish issue and under their agreement which is to wipe out the existence of PKK in northern Iraq.

The Turkish intervention

* According to the agreement between Turkey and Iraq, do you expect the Turkish intervention to North of Iraq?

-          Turkey is prepared to interference and has replaced the ball on the playing field of Al-Maliki. If Maliki did not carried on, Turkey will give itself the right to intervene under the pretext of the agreement... It could not intervene immediatly unless Maliki wanted to carry this issue over... The Kurds will consider such condition as a violation of Maliki against their lands in his attempt to undertake a military role their. For instance the Kurdish MP Mahmoud Abbas said that Maliki has not performed his constitutional rights in this point... He has no right to accept Turkey to wipe out Kurdish Labor Party (PKK). Now this issue is more important one. The Kurdish region is more American controlled region in Iraq from the stand point of effective and number of forces... The southern regions are accounted to Iran and the middle region for the resistance... The basic subject that we should know is that if Maliki wanted to play a role in the northern of Iraq this will be considered by the Kurds as an Iranian interference. It will also be the same consideration by the Americans. I reckon they never accept that without paying any attentions to the subject of Turkey and PKK... There is a power balance in the opposite side that means the role of Maliki in northern of Iraq is a violation of both the American and Kurds roles.

The Arabs role in Iraq

* How do you think where the Arabs role in Iraq is?

-          The Arab regimes are playing the role of American – Zionist (tail), in any order, such as holding a meeting they perform it, be in separation position they do it, have a row to hit Iraq they immediatly execute, stop against Iran they do it. So the Arab regimes especially that so called the moderate axle have permitted itself to be American – Zionist counselor...They do not activate the peace case which they can do it. Can you imagine there is even no 1% of a certain independent attempt; the Arab regimes have no roles and attempts. they keep a regional gap that no one can filled it other than Iran or its representative the Zionist settlement.

The unity of the Iraqi resistance

* Do you believe that the Iraqi resistance still has the abilities to continue on stopping opposite the Americans and defeat them?

-          Thanks for the big wealth of Iraq and thanks for the existence of millions with great military experience which this peculiarity differs Iraq from others. There are millions of Iraqi youth with good experience and a big quantity of weapons that were available in Iraq. I think they can continue on as far as the self resources are sufficient. There is only one dangerous aspect that is the separation in its rows through the sectarian ambition that threats the resistance... The success would be with the unity of the resistance; however, the resistance has to coordinate its steps similar to the first years of the coordination.

Solving the Iraqi problem

* If you have authorized to solve the Iraqi problem, what is the method of solving? I mean how can we get Iraq out of this problem?

-          If I was authorized to determine a project and is possible to be coordinated I could be pleased if the resistance powers with all groups have announced a national program that would be the base to close up our Shiites brothers in accordance to Islamic and national fundamental. And they have to undertake this program in order to present a project of liberation of Iraq which keeps Iran out of the program, and do for the liberation of Iraq from the Americans and its tails.  

 * Do you agree that the resistance has to announce about itself?

-          No the resistance is very successful, we don’t want the Iraqi resistance be fallen in deadlock as the Palestinian fallen in the same mistake before.

* What are these deadlocks?

-          Persons whom became uncovered will in the target to be pulled down and be under threat of assassination and also wipe out and we have seen all. The Palestinian resistance gave tens of its leaders because they were discovered, there were tens of those whom were attracted by many means such as high rank positions or offering good properties or by any kind of blackmail. I think the Iraqi resistance is more successful because they do perform their activities secretly as it should be and this is the different character of the Palestinians resistances...

* However, logically there should be certain positions that could at least negotiate with US to withdraw.

-          This is another case. Because as far as looking at the current conditions in Iraq from the regional and international conditions we should say the truth, it is impossible so far to assign a person from Iraq .

* How about assigning such person from abroad?

-          In case of assigning such a person officially to represent the resistance out side Iraq will expose the said person to a very high pressure... However it is acceptable for resistance to stick to some media personalities in order to talk about it non-officially. This matter is important as far as I am expressing my own private opinion. I as a journalist suggest to have held the mission of defending the resistance. Nobody has offered this to me before. Regimes and the Americans are well aware of this. But by doing this I as well as they will have to act more freely in the way of manner and attitude. for instance a journalist was found, this person has to be protected because this person will be at the target. The best point of the resistance up to this time is that it has never given to the enemy a fixed target. So there should be some non official journalists, politicians and spokesmen to talk in favor of the resistance. I believe that the time for official spokesmen has not come yet.

The political fulfillment progress of AMSI in comparison with other powers

* How do you evaluate the political fulfillment progress of AMSI?

-          The political performance of AMSI is too progressed with comparison to other powers and parties. We know that AMSI is targeted not only for its staff and assassinations threats but also for their projects that planned to execute. As we know when the AMSI tried to constitute an association instead or as rival to AMSI; I think AMSI has a special character that did not dragged to sectarian troubles as some of Islamic fighters did. We respect them and we wish they can depress their anger to ban a sectarian conflict occurred for advantage of Iraq... AMSI is not pushed in such method, it assures about the collective Iraqi national identity and AMSI is not shoved against the opposite direction. The said direction is getting in the political process under the occupation as some do. The Association of Muslim Scholars in Iraq (AMSI) is supporting the resistance and its political attitudes are strong. no doubt I have some notes such as participating in Cairo conference which conducted for the sake of reconciliation and its projects. I was thinking that such conferences is a kind of joining a political process under occupation even if it is an official Arabian gate, of the said gate was closed and such conference has kept away. I know there were talks about precaution: if we gone to the conference it does not mean the acceptance of some points of the project so and so. In fact the attitude of AMSI is developed too much than other powers especially among the Sunnis.

* What do say to the Iraqi public and the Iraqi resistance?

-          I say to all that probably I am talking about in the name of a big sect of Arabian youth, we are ashamed of the resistance. Because what have they done is almost a miracle in the time of a single pole and in the time of Arabian and Islamic siege... This is the resistance that strongly hurled so rapidly for the first time in the history with such power and momentum without an external support under inconvenient regional and international conditions to defeat a super power in history and to turn the regional and international powers balance upside down. This resistance made us ashamed to stand still opposite.

In fact the Iraqi resistance is together with their Arab brothers joined them. However fundamentally the Iraqi resistance is the basic of a noble nationalist movement… The others are not less feelings of the Iraqi resistance but the Iraqi resistance has done something similar to a miracle and expressed the real colors of Iraqi public, boldness, courageous, cleverness, capability of adaptation to the hard conditions and a concentrated progressed performance with an inadequate finance... Indeed it is something abnormal, the only unjust person will violate the resistance rights... However we shall see in next years that when the conditions are settled the Iraqi resistance will take its share of exaltedness and appreciation. Iraqi resistance will be the clearest page in the Arabian nation history, Islamic history and international liberation movements’ history. In fact the Iraqi resistance is acting dangerous performance that is not less important than the action of Salahaddin Al-Ayyubi in the liberation of Jerusalem.

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